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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008/05/method-as-content-for-undergraduates.html/comment-page-1#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ellen,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I use &lt;i&gt;Literary Theory: An Anthology&lt;/i&gt; edited by Julie Rivkin and Michael Ryan (&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/50600935&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WorldCat link&lt;/a&gt;). It was one of my readers in grad school, so I had it on hand. It has sections for each of the major literary theories made up of works by the key theorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ellen,</p>
<p>I use <i>Literary Theory: An Anthology</i> edited by Julie Rivkin and Michael Ryan (<a HREF="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/50600935" REL="nofollow">WorldCat link</a>). It was one of my readers in grad school, so I had it on hand. It has sections for each of the major literary theories made up of works by the key theorists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iris, which anthology of literary theorists do you use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iris, which anthology of literary theorists do you use?</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008/05/method-as-content-for-undergraduates.html/comment-page-1#comment-977</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that aboutness is often fuzzy, too, but at least the way it&#039;s indexed currently in my fields, it&#039;s at least not the stuff of on-going scholarly debate. I&#039;m not going to take a class devoted to the topic of whether or not a critic was critiquing a particular author&#039;s work or not, or whether or not the scholar was exploring the work&#039;s &quot;(treatment of) women&quot; (to borrow from the MLA thesaurus).  Still, as you say, it&#039;s never completely cut and dried.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And yes, my database designer of an LIS prof used to just shake his head at &quot;you humanities people.&quot; &quot;You never say what you mean,&quot; he&#039;d complain, &quot;and your article titles are useless.&quot; :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that aboutness is often fuzzy, too, but at least the way it&#8217;s indexed currently in my fields, it&#8217;s at least not the stuff of on-going scholarly debate. I&#8217;m not going to take a class devoted to the topic of whether or not a critic was critiquing a particular author&#8217;s work or not, or whether or not the scholar was exploring the work&#8217;s &#8220;(treatment of) women&#8221; (to borrow from the MLA thesaurus).  Still, as you say, it&#8217;s never completely cut and dried.</p>
<p>And yes, my database designer of an LIS prof used to just shake his head at &#8220;you humanities people.&#8221; &#8220;You never say what you mean,&#8221; he&#8217;d complain, &#8220;and your article titles are useless.&#8221; :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put, Iris! And I pretty much agree.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I&#039;d also argue that much of what passes for &quot;typical&quot; indexing and/or subject assignment is no less cloudy.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Some of it is certainly easier than others, but then methodology and approach would be the same.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also agree that some of your fields do fall on the tougher end of the spectrum.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for replying, and with such a thoughtful answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put, Iris! And I pretty much agree.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d also argue that much of what passes for &#8220;typical&#8221; indexing and/or subject assignment is no less cloudy.</p>
<p>Some of it is certainly easier than others, but then methodology and approach would be the same.  </p>
<p>I also agree that some of your fields do fall on the tougher end of the spectrum.</p>
<p>Thanks for replying, and with such a thoughtful answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By &quot;not possible&quot; I mean &quot;not possible to do well, at least not in the disciplines with which I am most familiar.&quot; Take literary theory (the area with which I&#039;m most familiar). Almost no scholar will name his or her theoretical approach in a work of criticism, and most use approaches primarily based on one or another theory of reading but drawing on bits and pieces of other theories. To make matters even more complicated, part of the fun of lit theory is that it keeps shifting. People keep splitting theories, making new ones, re-naming old ones, blending several together, or (even more fun) deciding that while Scholar A *thinks* she&#039;s a post-structuralist, she&#039;s actually just a structuralist.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s the same reason we don&#039;t index based on school of philosophical thought, or even schools of anthropological thought. Things shift, and it takes a great deal of disciplinary familiarity to see the distinctions. And I don&#039;t think we can assume that disciplinary indexers would be able to make these distinctions. Even after graduate work in the field, I can&#039;t do it with any real finesse, and I&#039;d be petrified if assigned that task. I know I&#039;d make matters worse rather than better.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So I guess what I&#039;m saying is that we could certainly add fields for theoretical approach, but getting consistent and appropriate data into that field would be incredibly difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>By &#8220;not possible&#8221; I mean &#8220;not possible to do well, at least not in the disciplines with which I am most familiar.&#8221; Take literary theory (the area with which I&#8217;m most familiar). Almost no scholar will name his or her theoretical approach in a work of criticism, and most use approaches primarily based on one or another theory of reading but drawing on bits and pieces of other theories. To make matters even more complicated, part of the fun of lit theory is that it keeps shifting. People keep splitting theories, making new ones, re-naming old ones, blending several together, or (even more fun) deciding that while Scholar A *thinks* she&#8217;s a post-structuralist, she&#8217;s actually just a structuralist.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same reason we don&#8217;t index based on school of philosophical thought, or even schools of anthropological thought. Things shift, and it takes a great deal of disciplinary familiarity to see the distinctions. And I don&#8217;t think we can assume that disciplinary indexers would be able to make these distinctions. Even after graduate work in the field, I can&#8217;t do it with any real finesse, and I&#8217;d be petrified if assigned that task. I know I&#8217;d make matters worse rather than better.</p>
<p>So I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that we could certainly add fields for theoretical approach, but getting consistent and appropriate data into that field would be incredibly difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iris, I assume you mean that our databases currently do NOT index on methodology so that you or anyone else cannot search on it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But they most certainly could be indexed on method just as easily as on anything else. Sure, indexers might need a bit more knowledge of the field they are indexing but let&#039;s hope (I know it&#039;s only a hope) that they already have some decent subject knowledge. And if they have subject knowledge of a field where differentiating methodology can be critical then I would hope and assume they have that knowledge; at least to the level of the subject itself.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you really did mean that it is not possible to index on methodology could you please discuss a bit on why you feel that way.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have no doubt that identifying the methodology or theoretical approach can be difficult in some instances, but I&#039;d also maintain that it is (in most cases) no harder than determining subject/aboutness/etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;P.S. Not trying to critique. Just want to understand if you meant currently not possible or theoretically not possible in your disciplines, of which I admittedly have limited knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iris, I assume you mean that our databases currently do NOT index on methodology so that you or anyone else cannot search on it.</p>
<p>But they most certainly could be indexed on method just as easily as on anything else. Sure, indexers might need a bit more knowledge of the field they are indexing but let&#8217;s hope (I know it&#8217;s only a hope) that they already have some decent subject knowledge. And if they have subject knowledge of a field where differentiating methodology can be critical then I would hope and assume they have that knowledge; at least to the level of the subject itself.</p>
<p>If you really did mean that it is not possible to index on methodology could you please discuss a bit on why you feel that way.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that identifying the methodology or theoretical approach can be difficult in some instances, but I&#8217;d also maintain that it is (in most cases) no harder than determining subject/aboutness/etc.</p>
<p>P.S. Not trying to critique. Just want to understand if you meant currently not possible or theoretically not possible in your disciplines, of which I admittedly have limited knowledge.</p>
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