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		<title>By: mlorfeld</title>
		<link>http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008/01/is-traditional-reference-dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>mlorfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes (hangs head in humility)... funny how much one can change in 6 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes (hangs head in humility)&#8230; funny how much one can change in 6 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008/01/is-traditional-reference-dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our alma mater&#039;s library was hampered by a severe lack of funds. I never realized quite how much they did with so little until I worked their during library school.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And... does this mean that all these years later, I finally won that argument?!? Huzzaaahhhh!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our alma mater&#8217;s library was hampered by a severe lack of funds. I never realized quite how much they did with so little until I worked their during library school.</p>
<p>And&#8230; does this mean that all these years later, I finally won that argument?!? Huzzaaahhhh!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mlorfeld</title>
		<link>http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008/01/is-traditional-reference-dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator>mlorfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah yeah, not taking Greek (as my adviser suggested in order to help me with computer languages) ended up costing me a few thousand as I took summer Greek.  I think my response in undergrad was, &quot;why would I do that... it&#039;s not like I&#039;m going to the Sem or anything.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What does go along with the &quot;research area&quot; bit is that each field has their own areas in which to look for reference.  Technological fields are heavily reliant on manuals, documentation, standards definitions (IEEE), and virtual networking communities.  Where libraries may be helpful is providing someone with the expertise in mining the necessary data from these sources.  Our alma mater didn&#039;t provide this resource, or at least did not make known that this was available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah yeah, not taking Greek (as my adviser suggested in order to help me with computer languages) ended up costing me a few thousand as I took summer Greek.  I think my response in undergrad was, &#8220;why would I do that&#8230; it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m going to the Sem or anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>What does go along with the &#8220;research area&#8221; bit is that each field has their own areas in which to look for reference.  Technological fields are heavily reliant on manuals, documentation, standards definitions (IEEE), and virtual networking communities.  Where libraries may be helpful is providing someone with the expertise in mining the necessary data from these sources.  Our alma mater didn&#8217;t provide this resource, or at least did not make known that this was available.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
		<link>http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008/01/is-traditional-reference-dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Matt (is it terrible of me that I still have trouble thinking of you as &quot;Matt&quot;?), I also remember arguing with you over the value of different languages when we were in college... ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Seriously, though, I think you hit one one key point that I&#039;d overlooked: research areas make a difference. Our CS majors don&#039;t use the library either, or not very much. Our history and poly-sci and biology students do, though, because their research areas require access to the kinds of things that are in our library.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And Mark... Yes. You may. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Matt (is it terrible of me that I still have trouble thinking of you as &#8220;Matt&#8221;?), I also remember arguing with you over the value of different languages when we were in college&#8230; ;-)</p>
<p>Seriously, though, I think you hit one one key point that I&#8217;d overlooked: research areas make a difference. Our CS majors don&#8217;t use the library either, or not very much. Our history and poly-sci and biology students do, though, because their research areas require access to the kinds of things that are in our library.</p>
<p>And Mark&#8230; Yes. You may. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I say &quot;I told you so&quot;? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I say &#8220;I told you so&#8221;? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: mlorfeld</title>
		<link>http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008/01/is-traditional-reference-dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>mlorfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a non-librarian POV, I&#039;d say yes and no.  In undergrad I had very little reason, other than what I&#039;d call busy work assignments that necessitated the use of the library.  Remember I was a Computer Science major... so by the time things were published they already were dated materials.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now skip forward a decade, though I&#039;m on a year hiatus from my academic institution, as a Masters of Divinity Student, the reference desk has been invaluable.  Partly because the research I do is much different than I did before, but also in part because the level of research needed is much more intense.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For a good majority of students (and this might be part of my distaste for &quot;liberal arts&quot; education), there&#039;s not much of a need to spend much time in the library.  It&#039;s there in the rare case that you might need it.  However for the group that has a use for it, it is of great value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a non-librarian POV, I&#8217;d say yes and no.  In undergrad I had very little reason, other than what I&#8217;d call busy work assignments that necessitated the use of the library.  Remember I was a Computer Science major&#8230; so by the time things were published they already were dated materials.</p>
<p>Now skip forward a decade, though I&#8217;m on a year hiatus from my academic institution, as a Masters of Divinity Student, the reference desk has been invaluable.  Partly because the research I do is much different than I did before, but also in part because the level of research needed is much more intense.</p>
<p>For a good majority of students (and this might be part of my distaste for &#8220;liberal arts&#8221; education), there&#8217;s not much of a need to spend much time in the library.  It&#8217;s there in the rare case that you might need it.  However for the group that has a use for it, it is of great value.</p>
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		<title>By: Iris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, part of me thinks it can&#039;t *just* be a function of the small residential college.  But then, what do I know? This is all I&#039;ve done since library school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, part of me thinks it can&#8217;t *just* be a function of the small residential college.  But then, what do I know? This is all I&#8217;ve done since library school.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Iris! Like Steve suggests, our settings probably factor into our shared experiences in this realm. Yesterday was the first day of classes for the spring term, and I was utterly SWAMPED from 10-1. On a Monday morning. With real, in-depth, substantive questions. Nope, &quot;traditional reference&quot; isn&#039;t dead here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Iris! Like Steve suggests, our settings probably factor into our shared experiences in this realm. Yesterday was the first day of classes for the spring term, and I was utterly SWAMPED from 10-1. On a Monday morning. With real, in-depth, substantive questions. Nope, &#8220;traditional reference&#8221; isn&#8217;t dead here.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lawson</title>
		<link>http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2008/01/is-traditional-reference-dead.html/comment-page-1#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I assume that the residential liberal arts college environment where you and I work is a very important factor. I don&#039;t know what our stats look like, but we are often quite busy at the desk, and students and faculty certainly expect to find us there.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m interested in hearing more about experiments and developments in reference services, but I&#039;m confident that *at my institution* people still want and need reference service, in person and at  the desk (easy to find, predictably staffed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I assume that the residential liberal arts college environment where you and I work is a very important factor. I don&#8217;t know what our stats look like, but we are often quite busy at the desk, and students and faculty certainly expect to find us there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in hearing more about experiments and developments in reference services, but I&#8217;m confident that *at my institution* people still want and need reference service, in person and at  the desk (easy to find, predictably staffed).</p>
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